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Hi Serene!

I remember your interest in Reiki!flowerface2 I am feeling to say that one doesn't need to be trained in Reiki in order to allow it's grace into your life.. For it is the divine flow of the universe..which is ultimately actually who we are in truth. The process of attunement or initiation accelerates that process that is all. On any spiritual journey one will traverse through the layers, this is no different with reiki, it's an unfolding of pure consciousness and the removing of all that is blocking or distorting that, it seems that being attuned to reiki brings this to the fore more quickly, and it has to be said many people going into it as a healing modality may not be aware or ready for the unfolding that takes place..and if resistance is there it will keep showing up more quickly as a reflection in life. This is my experience anyway!

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Thanks Pure-ki, yeah, this is probably why I have that tiny bit of resistance, because of my slight "control freak" tendencies! Ha ha! I know there is nothing to be afraid of though, it's all just thoughts and the ego. smile.gif

After watching that David Hawkins video you posted, I can see now how kundalini energy is a stage on the journey, clearing things. But his took 5 years that's quite a long time? smile.gif




Hi Serene! Yes, the ego really needs to step aside, or in fact fully dissolve, to allow the light of grace to shine and unfold us fully into the light that we truly already are!
It is an act of surrender really..into our truth, in each moment, for me this means opening and letting go into the ground of Beingness and allowing the innate movement of the pure love energy to flow. and Perhaps at first this is a doing thing but ultimately this ground of being you already are begins to be the normal state as the layers covering it over are dissolved away. And for me, that dissolve truly is an act of surrender!

Lol, I just replied to your post on the kundalini thread!

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Well not sure how popular this answer will be, so if it's not to your liking or in some way incompatible with your path, then please ignore it. I am speaking from personal experience, so at least for me, this holds true.

For me, by far the fastest way to evolve spiritually has always been psychedelic substances. There are 5 that I know of and recommend, and of those 5 I have personally tested 4, at least once. Those would be

- Mescaline (from the Peyote and San Pedro cacti, used in Native American traditions)
- DMT (from our own Pineal Glands, the stuff that makes us dream at night, and also used widely by Amazonian tribes and shamans, in the potent Ayahuasca potion)
- LSA (from the Morning Glory or Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds) used in various places where these things grow, traditionally a means to contact the deities and spirit world
- Psilocybe Cubensis, aka magic mushrooms (with a long tradition of use for a variety of reasons, in many places of the world), and finally
- Salvia Divinorum - recently discovered in the West, but with a long history among the Mazatec tribes, Lady Salvia will teach you well and take you to the stars, if you treat it properly, with due respect.

And these, in no particular order, are the things I stand by, after some years of research. Certainly not the only way of reaching "higher ground" spiritually, but in my experience the fastest way to travel. And also, best used TOGETHER with another path, like meditation, some form of religion, energy work and so on.

Now of course things that go fast are by their very nature more dangerous than things that go slow, it is like that in all of Nature, with any means of transportation.

So indeed a LOT of study and research, and also great care should be put into this field, before venturing forth and experimenting. People with experience are also good company on the way, if you can find them and have enough reasons to trust them.

And like all paths known to man, this too is not for everyone, so go with what attracts you. To illustrate this path I will leave you with some Mescaline-inspired Huichol art:

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Peace rainbowsmiley



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Hi Resh! flowerface2

All are free to share whatever they like here, about their own path. Thank you for your sharing. lotus

This subject definitely deserves a place in our discussion and thanks for the way you've presented it. I agree definitely not the path for everyone, definitely best as part of a larger journey and also not something you would want to enter into without all the information available to you.

This is not the first time we've discussed hallucinogens on the forum actually, so I'll point you in the direction of one of those threads in case I risk boring you all to death with me repeating myself.

Expanded Consciousness: Enlightenment or Hallucination?

It is i think interesting to raise people's awareness that there are groups of conscious people who use various substances for their spiritual evolution. We can't of course recommend it..and after my own experiences I would fall on the side of not...but it is important I think to not have knee jerk reaction and make judgement. This is not a new thing of course.. the use of various natural substances and herbs has been with humanity from the beginning of time, it has some very interesting shamanist and tribal aspects to it too. So it truly is not about people just getting *off their heads* or *out of it* (interesting terminology in itself)

You will know about Timothy O'Leary and the whole LSD revolution that began in the 60's, these were people who were interested in pushing the boundaries of the experience human consciousness... Not recreational.

So yes..it is true that there are substance which can very quickly lead to altered states of reality and levels of conscious. Or one could say, remove the consciousness barriers that keep us from experiencing the true multidimensional reality!

My first experience of different dimensions and levels of consciousness all happening simultaneously, was through taking magic mushrooms. I too have been through a series of experimentation many years ago and i can honestly say as a result i will never be the same again. Some of that is positive and some not so! I do recall clearly knowing new doorways had been opened that would never again be shut. And it did cause a permanent shift to a new higher level of consciousness. However... Would i recommend it? No. Why? Because unless it is part of your culture and you are surrounded by understanding and in the midst of a very conscious journey it can be extremely unsafe, destabilizing and frightening, with no way to integrate that into your life. This can lead to all kinds of scenarios including mental health issues, feeling totally ungrounded or not in body. I also think there are far safer ways to access higher levels of consciousness and have permanent shifts.

But, there is no denying it Resh, if one wanted to experience total loss of self, mind, ego, the form, everything your thought you ever knew, then hallucinogens might give you that experience. The risk is, not knowing, and the trauma it may cause you during and afterwards. For some people also the experience does not create a permanent shift. More a very extreme and radical blast into a realm unknown which they cannot handle. This can create fear..which is the enemy of surrender ...the ultimate in letting go of what we are not into who we truly are.

Thank you Resh, with love and blessings .

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Well thank you for having such an open forum, where sharing is the word of the day. Me likes bowsmiley

So a bit about my personal experiences then - I think this path has been in some way chosen for me specifically, because I have found it (or it has found me) in a country and society which really has VERY little contact or tolerance for it.

I would say Salvia Divinorum is a great starter's substance, because it has a very short duration, and has a very strong visual component. Whereas with shrooms a high and potent dose is needed for strong visuals, Salvia has this as its main power, and has a smooth way of bringing it to the timid novice, without unleashing all gates of Hell upon them heartface

I personally have never had a bad trip with it in 2 years of use, but I have tested it in daylight or noisy conditions, and DO NOT recommend that to any first-timer, like at all. Unfortunately this is the most of what we see on youtube, people taking it in very bright light (so they can film it) and also surrounded by many noisy friends who laugh and ask retarded questions. Then they go through that nightmarish trip, and blame it on the plant. Which of course only did what it's supposed to do, namely open their (inner and outer) perception.

If one takes 20 Aspirin pills with a bottle of Vodka, then that's the last cold they'll ever treat, but it doesn't mean Aspirin is bad, just that the taker can't read labels or heed warnings aww

Fast forward a few years, I've tried 4 of the substances listed above (all except Mescaline, couldn't find any) and all of them have brought something to the table. For instance I now do Overtone Chanting, like the Tibetans do, because the LSA magic seeds took me in a vision over the Himalayas, where Buddhist monks did that. I practice almost every day, and it's really a nice and rich experience.

I've also felt the need to buy 2 real-deal hand made singing bowls to go with the overtone, so yay, good job LSA rainbowsmiley

But it is not for the first timer, the 8 hour trip can be quite heavy to process.

Recently I have applied to (and entered) art school, and am now looking to become a painter, in order to better express the love, light and colors from the other side, down here in the material realm. That's why I got my tablet in the first place, to express these visions, and that's the sort of activity that hallucinogens have drawn me closer to.

Now all I have to do is supplement that with more meditation, Pranayama, and other worldly ways of spiritual development, and I thing we're good to go flowerface


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Hi Resh, thanks for your continuing to share. flowerface

It is our policy here that each is on their own individual path and it is fine to share, as long as we are not imposing or trying to convert others or being offensive in any way. So yes we are open to anything you wish to share! flowerface

Lol, it sounds like you are doing a sales job, but for me I made the choice to arrive where I arrive from the inside, naked, without props or accelerators of any kind now. For me this is the ultimate unfolding of the inner truth. No judgement implied. lotus

I would absolutely love to see any of your art work and congratulations for art school..it sounds like the ideal outlet for your creative expression!

Very interested in what you were sharing about the overtoning..I'm recently listening to Jonathan Goldman's Chakra Chants ( more on that in the Universal Life energy section )lotus

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I think well I know that the use of drugs for spirituality isnt really the answer, I wouldnt call it a path or developement more of a wanting an experience or experimenting on how to lose the concious mind. I know more than I should about drugs I took mushrooms regular when I was 13 onwards (at least twice a week) as well as cannibis, LSD acid tablets and ectasy from 16-21, as well as drinking to much up to about a couple of years ago. I chained smoked pot for the last 10 years to try and relax me from my chronic pain because the doctors werent giving me the right pain killers for my condition. I even tried the herbal smoke and the seeds what your on about in that time and Salvia Divinorum which gave me no effect, and because my jobs were art based I even put myself under the illusion that taking drugs would make me more creative, and I'll admit now I was sooo wrong.

Shamen/medicine men/ witch doctors since time began have used these and many more drugs but what interests me is the religions that dont feel the need to get off their heads to help people on their spiritual path. Who was going to argue with Shamen? no king or queen would defy what they say because they were in fear of offending their Gods, no tribesman would. So they had really a free reign on how they influence people. Is there any documented truth in what they were saying about their experiences out of so many trips which over a thousand years would amount to thousands how many visions came true??

The creativity and art work arguement: heres a thing for you to think about every church/cathedral/mosque/sinogogue/temple is a work of creative artistic genius inspired by God and spirituality (mostly) then we go onto the stained glass/scultpures/ paintings etc....
religious writtings/ songs/ music? (how much was inspired by being on a drug induced trip).
From the Pyramids to the Sistine Chapel the list is endless, when Michael Angelo got his inspiration for the Sistine chapel it was from a pattern he seen in the clouds while he was on the side of a mountain so you could say he was on a retreat.

The art work you shown resh is very colourful and has a symetry to it but it reminds me of the 60's and 70's stuff from the beatles and the monty python.

Dont be under the illusion that anything or path is chosen for you, greatest spiritual gift we all have is the choice of free will and were all just here to learn from everything we choose to do. The experiments into these drugs were done on people who werent drug users and only over a short period.

To find spirituality along ones own spiritual path is to become more emotionally intelligent, strip yourself naked mentally and having control of your mind and thinking, shedding skins and understanding who you are, releasing any ego's or preconseptions and having an awareness and understanding of how and why things happen to you and never analyse too much, it's always better to write things down than try and work it out, Listen, Learn and Love.

The best and cheapest way to acheive spirituality is to do what we were all born to do>>> Breath, Deep Breaths work wonders and its actually socially acceptable.

Spirituality means finding inner peace and being at ease with yourself your surroundings and people in general. This doesn mean just in the subconcious mind but its needed to be understood and acheived in our concious minds because thats where daily thoughts and decisions are made.

Governements will pretend their against drugs and drink and will tell you all sorts but they know while people are out of it their passive and will never be their true selves mentally or spiritually. Who has done the experiments? who has imported the stuff?
the CIA is the biggest drug dealer there is.

Dont be blinkered by drugs resh, I dont find what you say offensive, just find you misguided.
I play the guitar and find if you treat life like a musical instrument every experience is a song or goal you set is a song, if you keep playing just the same couple of songs you will never develope or grow mentally or spiritually, you have to build on things you have previously learned. The guitar stays the same you learn more chords as you go along, every song has certain chords in certain chord progressions.

Thanks Pure-Ki for the mooji and oshyo, listening to their stuff it's things I already know and tell people my own ideas and thoughts without reading anything, it confirms my theory on collective thinking that people will think the same as you even if you havent met them on this earth plane.

This is one I'm trying to learn now and found this guy by chance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4_4abCWw-w&NR=1&feature=fvwp

Take Care Love and Light to you all xx

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Hi Ambitious, I thank you for sharing your view, though I don't see things in much the same light.

I hope you are aware that people can be VERY different in their response to the same situations, and also something one does at 13 is not the same as something one does at 20+, after research and consideration.

I myself find that already these things have enriched my life and expanded my awareness, in ways that would have taken me perhaps many years to reach otherwise, or may have remained hidden for good, with me being some sad dude doing a boring office job. True story, I actually had several office jobs and had no idea how people can stand it, or why I don't fit in. Not my style at all.

So here's what these things have done for me, so far:

- Got me started in Art School (as in raised my interest enough to put in the work, prepare well and pass entry exams, and have a lot of fun doing it) They have thus placed me on a professional path much more in tune with my actual interests

- Salvia Divinorum has in short "told me" in very certain terms, to never smoke weed and never drink alcohol. Which I followed pretty closely, and have been feeling great since. I was never a pot-head or a heavy drinker, but it got me a very sharp focus on the proper substances I should take: only psychedelics, only natural. No weed, no cocaine, no heroin or synthetics like meth.

- Got me started in overtone singing, Buddhism, and pushed me to some actual meditation practice.

- Showed me how we are all one, why we need peace among one another, rather than competition and always "being a winner". Might not sound like much, but I am coming from some martial arts, athletic jock-type thinking, and it is actually quite a shift, as seen from the inside.

I'm still pretty young and have only been into this for 2-3 years, but I am sure more good things will come from them, as it happened before. I can honestly say I never had a bad trip, because I've always researched in detail how each substance is used, and know to listen to people with more experience in the field.

Also I like what Alan Watts said about psychedelics:
"When you got the message, hang up the phone" bowsmiley

So I know there will very likely come a time when I will have received my message, but that time has not come yet. I still plan on going to Peru (or Ecuador, or around that area) and get my Ayahuasca rides, and paint, sing or sculpt about it, or do whatever "they" inspire me to do. Until that's all done, I'll follow the rabbit hole as far as it goes rainbowsmiley

Peace brother, may your way lead you well and show you all answers lotus


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I think well I know that the use of drugs for spirituality isnt really the answer, I wouldnt call it a path or developement more of a wanting an experience ....................



First of all. Welcome Resh and Ambitiousfool on this forum. I have been absent for some time and I happy to see the ‘colorful’ contributions of you both!It perfectly OK to disagree . Things are what they are . We cannot change each other. We can only evolve from our decisions and resulting experiences . That’s our karma. lotus

Having said this, I go entirely with youAmbitious fool for the very simple reason I have never needed any substance to experience these effects. We are all born with this gift, but we forget as we grow up. rainbowI wrote already in earlier posts that similar psychedelic “fractal” pictures and movies pop op as soon as I close my eyes . They are a nice experience, but this has nothing to do with spirituality and self realization. Even more, these pictures were for me an major roadblock for my spiritual development. It is a defense mechanism of the Ego being threatened. It wants you to be dependent from nice and blissful experiences . The risk is that this initially innocent craving goes in crescendo and may even end up in drug addiction and irreparable damage to the brains and your total being. This path has never been an option for me. I have  even never smoked a cigarette and hardly had an occasional glass of wine.

During my education and working life as a scientist , I admit to have developed another addiction : the craving to knowledge and intellectualization. Scientists are in this respect as unteachable as drug addicts, believe me… biggrinSince last year , I am working very hard to unlearn all this. (Pure Ki knows everything about this) .The key for the self-rediscovery of the real experience of the Truth, was going back to that forgotten child in me. I first restored the little boy being fully entangled with all beings in Nature, free of all desires and being always present in the Now.I discovered that this was exactly the same message given in many Buddhistic disciplines: It was a feeling of a ‘lost son’ finally coming Home after spending decades in the desert. My path develops very rapidly now, more rapidly I can report in this forum(Sorry and thank you Pure Kimulticolourlove). I expanded my path including body through Vipassana ptactice. Read more about this in this thread. This is not the end: Trough Zen meditation I am further stripping experiences down going to the bare essence and simplicity of no experience at all, (non)-Being , (non )Self , the ultimate Truth present in all our bodies and manifesting at any moment when we truly allow it…

 







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Hi Resh, Ambitiousfool and Hadron!flowerface

I really enjoyed reading your comments, thank you so much for your mutual respect, even through differing opinions! I think perhaps you may have missed that poignant comment from Rosey, thank you for sharing that Rosey one, it made me smile. flowerface2 for me i would say stop walking, and surrender within. For the path leads nowhere but deeply back into who you already always were!

You put it beautifully Hadron when you said we can only evolve from our own decisions and actions. Beyond this, i would say when we fix our belief system either this way or that, we are in danger of making judgements about another based on our own point of view.

And now I'd like to put this guy into the mix Ram Dass, formerly known as Dr Richard Alpert an eminent psychologist at Havard university.flowerface2

http://www.ramdass.org/biography

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I Hope it's ok putting this link up in here but I've been going to a site to help me develope as a psychic and mediumship, it runs free nightly classes from 8-10 uk time. such stuff as open circles, picture reading, aura reading, a healing session.

I've seen quite a few people who were only interested develope and find out they had hidden gifts, it's chat room based but theres no fools or idiots attend.

http://www.sacredhaven.co.uk/chatroom.htm

It's run by really good mediums who give up their time for free and as i said each class is free and you can come and watch or come and go as you choose.



This may help some of your members deveope some of their hidden skills Pure x

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